you know, film used to be the sexy part of the industry, that this is where the action was, where the talent was. and television was, you know, the dumpy, unsexy part. and because film is so male -- remains very male, a lot of women got their start in television. they got their start as assistants, low-level producers, production assistants. and lo and behold, as television became bigger and better than film. and now, these women are at the top of their field. >> good for them. well, the last three years, our own boss at disney, ann sweeney, who is the president of abc, was top of the list. did she make it for year four? or did someone else come in? >> it is the most boring story in hollywood that ann sweeney, again, is at the top of our list. >> that's great. >> she remains the most. congratulations to ann. she remains the most powerful, most well-liked, most steady and stable person at the top here in hollywood. >> and by the way, just speaking of one of her lowly employees, one of the nicer people, right? in the business? >> listen, you see ann sweeney around town, she is always po